Is BMW K1600 bike compatible with SMH10? If so, how can I connect SMH10 to the bike?

Here's an example guide of how to make SMH10 work with built-in Bluetooth audio system of motorcycles. Please see the attached material for BMW K1600 application.

Note: Only one SMH10 headset can be paired with the BMW Bluetooth audio system. Using the SMH10 firmware version 4.1.1, disable EDR in the Device Settings.

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    Sij9131

    Its not clear if the gps direction will be heard if you don't pair the sena with the gps, just pairing it with the bike's main unit.   or if you do - it appears you loose music ?

     

    Simon (Smh10 owner)

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    Dan Kim

    @Simon

    Set up instruction in the document will allow SMH10 to receive audio from both music and built in-in GPS.

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    Thomas W Barrie

    I have an original SMH10. I have followed the directions above, but cant get it to pair with the K1600 and my Iphone at the same time.

    I am able to get it to pair with one either the iphone or the K1600, but but not both at the same time

    Is this possible to Pair to the K1600 and still be able to make calls on the iphone?

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    Thomas W Barrie

    Update: I can pair both per the instructions, but the sound on the iphone is garbled - any suggestions?

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    Thomas W Barrie

    Update 2: I turned off the bluetooth on the Nav IV ( I wasn't using it anyways) and all is well...

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    Barkerconstruction

    on the BMW k1600 when you downloaded the new version 4.0firmware are you having problems hearing the music? I have a 2012 BMW 1600GTL and when i use the 3.3 firmware it works great. When i upgrade to the 4.0 firmware the music comes in but its makes the song stutter a lll the time. 

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    Thomas W Barrie

    I have the older sena which is not firmware upgradable, so this is not an issue for me. I have heard there is a fix on the way for the 4.0 firmware however.

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    Sij9131

    I believe there is an error in the manual.  The process is to pair with the iphone as Hands Free only, - no music (HFP) then pair with the K1600 (and nav) as A2DP.  SECTION 6.3.1 IN THE MANUAL.  the first stage, pairing the phone as HFP only, - point 1, page 10 reads

    6.3.1

    1. Turn on the headset and press the Jog Dial for 5 seconds until the
    red LED is rapidly flashing and you hear multiple beeps.

    This is incorrect, I got this to work by pressing the phone button NOT the jog Dial ?

    I also never hear the voice messages referred to, just the beeps ?  I have just upgraded to the new smh10  with usb, under the upgrade programme.

    Good news is I now get music from the bike, radio, AUX or USB, sat nav instructions and if my phone rings I can answer if i like !

    Simon

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    Dan Kim

    Simon,

    For A2DP selective pairing, you should use pairing instruction on section 7.1 in the latest SMH10 user manual. Selective pairing is only supported on SMH10 that are able receive firmware update(power port is micro-USB).

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    Mark Whatman

    Be forewarned, this only works with Version 3.3.  Version 4.0 has audio cutout issues that I'm told Sena is working on.

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    Dante Kanki

    The SMH10-v4.0-BMW_V4.img firmware (still beta version) received directly from Dan Kim fixes the audio cutout issue and I have tested it extensively last weekend. The link now is pretty solid and I have no issue at all with the Sena bluetooth device. It is an excellent product, ways better than the other similar ones available in the industry.

    Attached is the pairing diagram that I have currently set and it is working flawlessly.




    Sena_K1600.jpg
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    Dante Kanki

    Updated pairing diagram. The link between the Navigator IV GPS and the Sena is through bluetooth and not "wired".




    Sena_K1600.jpg
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    Mark Whatman

    I agree with Dante, the new SMH10-v4.0-BMW_V4.img firmware seems to work very well with the K1600.  I have about 10 hours on the system and haven't had any issues.  I paired the same EXCEPT I didn't pair directly to the GPS.  The prompts play just fine through the audio system for me so I didn't bother with the extra link.

    I have had to re-pair a couple times due to updates and have found this t be the most reliable sequence:

    1. Intercom pair to second Sena SMH10
    2. Selective A2DP Pair to the K1600 (Hold phone button until pairing begins then tap the main wheel)
    3. Selective HFP pair to my iPhone (Hold phone button until pairing begins then tap the phone button again)

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    Dante Kanki

    Mark, maybe after I update the K1600's audio system firmware, I will be able to unpair Sena with the GPS, but for now I have to keep that pairing because of the extremely low volume of the GPS voice messages coming from the K1600 audio.

    I need to update the K1600's audio system firmware to fix the "No USB" issue I am experiencing now.  

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    Mark Whatman

    The K1600 software upgrade is great, it clears the No USB issue and improves the Blue Tooth audio quality for FM and Sat but I didn't notice that much more volume from the GPS.  For me, the volume from the GPS is fine when you are listening to the iPod because you turn up the master volume since it's so low.  With Sat and FM I could see how you might want it louder but I didn't have any trouble hearing the GPS before or after the update.  Obviously it;s a personal preference.

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    Sij9131

    I concur with Mark W - the pairing like that works for me. :-)

    1. Intercom pair to second Sena SMH10
    2. Selective A2DP Pair to the K1600 (Hold phone button until pairing begins then tap the main wheel)
    3. Selective HFP pair to my iPhone (Hold phone button until pairing begins then tap the phone button again)

     

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    Dante Kanki

    Mark, thanks. I have to wait until 6/26 for the K1600 audio system firmware update, because of the dealership's availability for this service. I was told that the firmware upgrade can take hours, which I think is ridiculous nowadays!! I will have to leave the bike there and I will get a loaner bike. The only reason I'm connecting Sena to the GPS using mulltipoint pairing is because of the low volume. I still can control the GPS through the K1600 (speak, zoom, etc).

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    Rene Sloove

    Hi I'm René from Holland. I just bought a K1600 GT with radio and Navigator IV and a Sena SMH 5. Is it possible that my wife can also hear the music and the telephone? the intercom works sometimes well and sometimes we have a bad connection. Is there also a solution for?

    Sorry for my english but I presume you don't speak Dutch?

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    RBEmerson

    SMH-10 Firmware V4.1 (released 11 July 2012) formally adds K1600 support or, from what I see in the update, problem work-arounds. 

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    Dante Kanki

    I have the SMH10-v4.0-BMW_V4 (beta version) installed in my SMH10 for around 2 months, using it every single day and I haven't had any issue with it. Do I get any advantage in updating it to the Firmware V4.1.1 which was released on Aug/1? I'm afraid in breaking something that is working fine. Of course, I could reinstall the beta version but I don't want to waste my time.

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    RBEmerson

    You can always back out and update by installing older versions of firmware with the SMH-10 Manager tool.  You can find the older firmware files on this page: http://www.senabluetooth.com/support/download_document.php  Look under the notice for FW v4.1.1 for a list of available fw downloads. 

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    Bruce Cole

    Evaluating the SM10 units now, and between them, and the SMH10B firmware v4.1.1, with the updated software on the K1600 systems, all seems to be well for audio streaming, etc...

    Bruce Cole

     

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    Pfiedler

    I have a new SM10 which I'm using with my 2012 K1600GT and a SMH-10B. I have the bike's audio system wired to the main port of the SM-10 and my radar detector to the AUX port. All worked as advertised (volume control from the bike's jog wheel etc.) until I paired my iPhone 4S to my SMH-10B. Now I can hear the phone perfectly but can't hear the bike's audio system.

    Anybody have a suggestion on how to make these two systems work together with the SMH-10B? Can't seem to find any clear way of doing this in either the SMH-10B or SM-10 user guides.

    Thanks very much.

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    Mark Whatman
    It sounds like the iPhone is overriding the A2DP pairing from the SM10. Pair the SM10 using selective pairing for media then pair the iPhone using selective pairing for a phone (headset or HFP). Instructions for selective pairing are in the manual.
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    Bruce Cole

    The required configuration is per Mark's comment.  In doing the evaluations of the Sena products, the ability to utilize the Selective Pairing for discrete A2DP and HFP pairings, or the selective HFP configuration for the SR10 Adapter cannot be overlooked, and if using any SMH10B (USB version), SR10 or the SM10, or other Bluetooth systems, the versatility provided by the configuration options is hard to beat.  The big issue here is that the iPhone (like most i-devices) identifies and locks all available profiles/protocols, making it difficult for other devices to use them.  So it is a matter of discovering in what order things need to be done, or use the Selective Pairing features to keep things separated and audio sources streaming as desired.

    Given ongoing testing with the K1600 platforms and other onboard systems, even when the Selective Profile A2DP is used for the onboad audio connection, other audio that is being fed into and through the onboard system (like navigation audio) should/will be heard via the SM10 to headsets configuration. 

     

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    Pfiedler

    Mark & Bruce:

    Thanks for your assistance. I still can't get this to work properly. The iPhone keeps "stealing" the connection no matter the order of pairing using the combination of selective pairing and HFP pairing.

    Just so you know, first I bring all devices back to factory setting...both the SMH-10B and the SM-10. (I'm using firmware v4.1.1 on the SMH-10B by the way). Then I pair the iPhone using the HFP pairing as detailed in the SMH-10B manual on page 14, section 7.2 (HFP for Phone Call Only). The I try and pair the SM-10 to the SMH-10B via the instructions on page 13, section 7.1 (A2DP Stereo Music Only). I have been unable to get the two devices to pair. They just flash and no connection is made. If this could get solved, I think I will be able to get this to work.

    Any suggestions on what I might be doing wrong? If you can refer to specific sections of either the SMH-10B or SM-10 owner's manual, that would be really helpful.

    Thank you again for your help. This can become very confusing as I'm sure many folks are finding.

    Have a nice day!

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    Bruce Cole

    Pfiedler, noted your issues with interest, appreciating that it can be a very fussy setup - my overall batting average is around 75 percent, but the following seems to work (based on working with other devices as well over a long period of time):

    1.  Reset SMH10B and SM10 to factory - clear all Bluetooth regardless, and do this on the iPhone as well (I use a 4S)

    2.  Turn on the SMH10B and put it in pairing mode via the Phone button, now turn on the SM10 and pair the SMH10B as the first headset (Blue)

    3.  Connect whatever input to the Audio In of the SM10, you should get a media connected notification in the headset - turn everything off.

    4.  Turn the headset back on and put it in the Selective Pairing - HFP mode, make sure the notifications and audio tones are heard to confirm the mode

    5.  Turn Bluetooth on the iPhone and let it find the headset, connect it as needed.  Turn the iPhone Bluetooth off when this is done and turn the SMH10B off

    6.  Now turn the SMH10B headset back on, then the SM10, wait for the media connected notification - now start whatever the input audio is to check the stream

    7.  Turn on the iPhone Bluetooth, you may have to manually connect it to the headset by tapping the connection, but it will connect and when it does, you will get the phone connected notification

    8.  From this point on, you should have audio streaming via the Audio In port of the SM10, and the iPhone will be on standby for HFP/phone services - I just made a couple of calls and once ended, the audio stream resumed...but sometimes you may have to manually restart the stream from the SM10 to the headset by tapping the Phone or Jog Dial (I get mixed results with either).

    It is very important to turn the just paired devices off, and then back on, or with the phones, turn the Bluetooth off, and at each stage of the multi-device pairing process, it is good to confirm everything.  I had some real issues with the SMH10B firmware 4.1 release and the SM10 and iPhone, but firmware 4.1.1 seems to have cured most of my issues.  You will find that the iPhone cycles now and then, so a very short timeout might be heard as a time-slice on other audio, but it typically usually only happens once or twice (like device polling), then it goes away (iPhone to standby likely).

    Let us knonw how it goes and hopefully we can get Tech Support engaged directly if your issue persists.  Going to be doing some K1600 and SM10 testing this week, so hoping to get more information as well on the whole situation.  Have you done the onboard firmware update for the K1600?  Just a thought?

    Cheers, Bruce

     

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    RBEmerson

    I had some problems with the SMH-10, a Zumo 660, and Motorola Razr Maxx phone.  Basically, trying to manage two media audio sources generally was messy, trouble-prone, and enough to try the patience of a saint.  And then I read about section 6.3.1 of the v4.0 SMH-10 manual.  6.3.1 talks about multi-point pairing.  Once I woke up to that, end of problems.  Maybe, just maybe 6.3.1 will be the silver bullet for your problems, too.  Or not...

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    Maarten van der Kleij

    BMW K1600GTL to Sena SMH10b:  I tried the method in the pdf at the head of this blog a few times, but kept getting jitters after a few minutes. 

    The solution is to switch off the EBR (enhanced bit rate) in the PC Sena SMH Manager (I have Windows 7 version).  Do not upgrade firmware to 4.1.  Tried 4.1 and couldn't get a reliable connection.  Then  rolled back to 4.0, used the A2DP connection to connect. 

    I then found that if one turns on the Sena first, then the media centre, the media centre is found and music plays.  If the media centre is turned on first, then the Sena, the centre is found but no music until the loudspeakers are toggled on and off.  So far so good.  Now to pair with the phone...

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    RBEmerson

    Did you try v4.1.1?  That's the firmware version that seems to be meant to address K1600 problems. 

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